guys, the whole fork debate is probably a stress test of the crypto ecosystem. the CIA are checking how resilient the BTC community is. ETH have already proven very malleable - that's why they seem to prefer it.
facth, in an ambiguous market situation such as this, the whales are notorious for moving the market into the direction the least number of people expects. Go against their own triggers and reap in profits from the trend followers.
trader1020, which makes me think that all this forking desaster is not about Bitcoin, but about "making money" by placing new assets - it's not a nice attempt to destroy what is doing well for a short term one time profit.
trader1020, that's also the reason why there are more crypto traders who have gotten "rich" than those who have "lost" - because the invested fiat is still there, additionally crypto assets are there. voila! money supply has grown.
trader1020, oh actualy, the market does, when played correctily - on the stock market it happens all the time, such as Company A selling it's own department as new Company B on the exchanges, or Holding C getting listed who already has 51% of Company D
Sasnakra, in fact i just go the idea to check more closely if there already exist any other airdrops to BTC users which i have not noticed- I know CLAM and Byteball, but i have not looked at all the coins wearing "Bitcoin" in their name.
trader1020, i had been fooled, too, first i thought https://www.bitcoincash.org/ is an upgrade proposal, but it's in fact an altcoin that starts with a snapshot of the BTC ledger. "On Augst 1st" - yeah i guess it's good to hold those BTC in your own wallet so you can sell your BC
trader1020, the whole affair now, in it's display, appears like a football word championship, or a party election "Which team will win?" - which is in theory a good psychological move because it creates the illusion that all teams are equal at start. Which they aren't.
trader1020, +1 - yes, bitcoin is decentralized, except that a few fork promoters are throwing a temper tantrum, and try to sway people like the TheIllusionist2 into believing that forks are good. Which forks? Any !.. (there you see the oxymoron)
wez004, since I own bitcoin, i will have both bitcoin and bitcoin unlimited. then i will sell my bitcoin unlimited, and buy more bitcoin, which in turn gives me more bitcoin unlimited. See the asymmetry ?
pegglemaster, no, in fact you know what is fear-based? the recent propaganda going on about all the "BIP" shit and "lock-ins" and smegwits and such, they "will happen", "ARE already activated" and "it's inevitable" ..
pegglemaster, I did tell you. And I told it serveral times here. In short, any transaction that's valid in a expansion of bitcoin must be valid in the original chain, too, otherwise it wouldn't be upwards compatible. But it doesn't go the other way round,
midani, they can use the fork as well as the non-fork as an excuse to pump a coin, because the public doesn't really know what will happen if- it's an entirely new situation. So, if can connect ANY news with a price rise, the news become the justification for a new hype.
"The war on drugs created more drugs. The war on terrorism created more terrorism. Maybe they should start a war on money and jobs and see where that takes us." <-- chances are, that last one has recently started
Joh_Fredersen, right, if peole leave BTC, BTC/$$$ rate would go down - but you should be clear that if it goes up, it can go up only once. You want to have BTC crippled for a one time profit created by consensus manufacturing ? We can have that at the stock market every day.
Joh_Fredersen, the problem for me is, the generatl way how "consensus" is manufactured - it's been happening in mainstream society since decades, and now that very style has entered BTC community, as well, that's what bothers me so much.
Joh_Fredersen, I don't need to start a coin since there are already too many around. I sure own some others than BTC, and I sure changed a large part of my BTC for fiat already. I'm not evangelizing for my own pocket.
Joh_Fredersen, those "developers" are going through great length to shove all those protocal changes into our asses, it's MAN YEARS of effort, i wonder WHY they are doing all this? That work could get applied much more effectively.
Joh_Fredersen, I get the feeling that you don't understand the problem. Either voluntarily (because you are a shill) or involuntarily (because you have not yet understood the implications of crytocurrencies) -
Joh_Fredersen, no. There are several clients. And, "THEY" would have much more power to produce a good bitcoin client if they weren't wasting their time in all that politics as they are doing. The only "brand" here is the Bitcoin protocol and that has already been created lo
funkenstein, too many people are trained to believe in authority, even against all reason. They obviously have managed to breed a bunch of docile order followers in our society. Those ppl don't even seem to understand Bitcoin. and Joh_Fredersen.and ama are their supporters, consciously or not.
ama, so obviously, you are in the same team as Joh_Fredersen. You want a centralized team of developers make arbitrary changes to the bitcoin protocol, a team that is vulnerable to all sorts of infiltration and manipulation
ama, yes and you should also use a client that is not tainted by segwit and any other of the BIP crap. So you can be sure all BTC you receive is REAL BTC and everything you send is real BTC, too, and valid on all possible "forks"
Coin swap: New altcoin that honors the owners of old coin. We don't want that. Hard fork: same blockchain but changed rules. We don't want that. Soft fork: same blockchain but changed rules (at some point) - we don'T WANT THAT !
malatenango, XCP is a working and useful platform, but too much of a rhino, it's for high value trades only, not usefull for coffeeshop transactions at all. we are looking to create a private token where we want to set and adapt it's value. centralized, but tradeable.
malatenango, is there actually any alternative to BTS when you want to issue a private token of value that a) can be traded on a DEX so it can be swapped for other crypto and b) has a viable android wallet ?.. I found "Waves"- what else?
HairyT, Thing is, we want to be able to choose whether we want to pubish our transactions or not. We want to choose whether we want to be pseudonymous, or anonymous. Sometimes we need our customers to know what we are doing, sometimes total privacy is necessary.